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washington have forgotten. today, when we see an attack, whether in paris, whether in brussels, whether in san beno, inevitably president obama goes on national television, refuses to say the words radical islamic terrorism. and instead lectures the american people on islam-o-phobia. well, i want to be clear that come january 2017, our military will no longer be governed by political correctness. and every jihadist, every jihadist on the face of the earth, these words, if you wage war against the united states of america, if you seek to murder innocent americans, we are coming to get you. we are not coming to interrogate
you. we are not coming to read you your rights. we are coming to kill you. [ applause ] the time for weakness and appeasement is over. hitler has shown history has shown, munich in '38 has shown that giving in to a homicidal maniac and allowing him to develop the weapons of mass murder has catastrophic results. so how do we change the course we're on? what is striking about the men and women here, i think we can find a great deal of common ground on policy, on substance. we understand that our economics, if we lift the burden of washington, jobs will return. we understand that any chief executive could follow the constitution and bill of rights
and not ignore the law if he or she finds it inconvenient. we understand that we need a president who stands with our friends and allies and i will tell you this, as president, i will stand unapologetically with the nation of israel. and we understand the need for a strong commander in chief with clear eyes to the threat we face and the willingness and ability to rebuild our military and defeat our enemy. but as the men and women in this room know, none of that matters. if we can't win. if we cannot win the election, if hillary clinton becomes the next president for four or eight more years, the people of new york know full well what comes from that. and so the question we have to ask collectively is how do we win?
we need a candidate, number one, who can win the primary. if you cannot win the primary, you will not be the president. and number two, win the general election once you've won the primary. i will humbly suggest to you that the fine individual who addressed you tonight, there's only one who can both win the primary and win the general. and we have -- we started out with 17 candidates in the feel. diverse talent with young, dynamic people. pretty powerful contrast with the democrats. you know, the democratic field consists of a wild-eyed socialist with ideas -- [ inaudible ] and bernie sanders.
we've seen the field narrow. we've seen it narrow and narrow and narrow. at this point, there are two candidates and only two candidates who have any plausible path to winning the republican nomination. and what we have seen happen as a result is republicans are uniting behind our campaign. of the 17 republican presidential candidates who started this race, five have endorsed our campaign. we've been endorsed by lindsey graham and jeb bush and scott walker and carly fiorina. i will note a few weeks ago i was at an aipac event in d.c. that was hosted by lindsey graham and it was the first time
i ever attended an event, someone earlier had publicly called for my -- i think that is the sign of the unity we're seeing. that is a sign of republicans coming together. because if we nominate one who nominates to hillary clinton by double digits, loses women by 40 points, who loses young people, who cannot win in the general, the stakes of our -- [ inaudible ] i will tell you, an amazing thing has happened in the last three weeks. something you may not have seen on the nightly news. in those 11 elections, we have won all 11.
we won a landslide with 69% of the vote, won all of the delegates. it went on to north dakota where we won 18 delegates and donald trump won 1. on to wisconsin. over and over again, cruz cannot win wisconsin. it's an upper midwest state, it's an industrial state. cruz cannot win. donald trump the day before the election promised a big victory in the state of wisconsin and then on election day, we saw in another landslide victory -- we won among women, we won among men, we won among independents.
we won among young people. in the state of colorado, there were a total of -- electing 34 delegates. we won all eight and won all 34 delegates. we're seeing the party come together. we either unify or we die. if we remain divided, we will lose. and so i recognize many of the people in this room who started out supporting another candidate. maybe started out supporting jeb bush. maybe you started out supporting marco rubio or scott walker or any of the fantastic candidates who began this race. and yet at this point those candidates are no longer running. and it's easy for those who are with other candidates who didn't prevail to say i'm tired and so
i sit back and wait. we sit back and wait in 100 days this nomination will be decided. then the general election will be over. i am here tonight to join our team to stand as one, to stand united. and let you know the way we win a general election, right now if you look at the national poll, i'm beating hillary clinton in key swing states. i'm beating hillary clinton in the state of ohio. i'm beating hillary clinton in the state of iowa. in the state of wisconsin which has not gone republican since 1984. donald trump loses by ten points and hillary and i are tied at 44-44. donald trump is losing pennsylvania and hillary and are tied in the general election in the state of pennsylvania.
and among young people, i would encourage you to look at the polls. in the last two elections, barack obama won young people. the polls three weeks ago, i'm beating hillary clinton by 14 points among young people. and it's not complicated math. democrats are losing young people by double digits. it was 1957 when my father fled cuba. he has seen repression. my father was tortured and imprisoned. and when my dad came to america, he had nothing. he had $100 and his underwear.
he washed dishes making 50 cents an hour working to pay his wages. the american dream. when i was a kid, my father said to me over and over again, when we face -- [ inaudible ] if we lose our freedom here, that is why people gathered here are here tonight and we stand together tonight. we stand as one as we bring together our party. i will note jobs, freedom, security. >> all right. welcome to "hannity." we're having a bit of audio trouble there. tonight all three 2016 republican candidates are attending the new york state republican gala. it's in manhattan. in new york city at the grand hyatt hotel. now coming up tonight, we have
an exclusive interview with donald trump's campaign manager corey lewandowski. remember florida prosecutors earlier today dropped charges against him. plus a lot of left-wing demonstrators are were outside of that gala. i saw them personally. we've got some video we'll be playing throughout the night. first joining us with reaction to the speeches and more, co-host of "the 5" kimberly guilfoyle, eric bolling. guys, good to see you all. >> good to be here, sean. >> let's start with the speeches tonight. then we'll get to the lewandowski issues. what are your thoughts? does this matter? new york, donald trump laid out the rink, he has history with new york, new york values. >> yeah, but this is his sweet spot, right? this is his time to shine and really connect and resonate. he needs a decisive victory here. for all intents and purposes it seems like he's really gunning and going after it. of course, you know, ted cruz unfortunately is working at a disadvantage because of the comment about new york values and it stings and people remember. he has to kind of come out of that hole to be able to try to
capitalize and not look like he's losing momentum in the face of what looks like a clear trump victory in new york. >> it looks like the couple of weeks leading up to wisconsin which i would argue, erice eric toughest weeks in the campaign for donald trump are now behind him. seems to be more campaign discipline. he seems more, he seems back on message. he's even staying off, like, for example, he's off this past weekend on the sunday shows. something he hadn't done in a long time. >> yeah, because he made a great hire. paul manaforts, wow, he's a rock star. paul handled it, locked it down on the sunday shows. what that allowed donald trump to do is figure out where he wants to be, take a deep breath, step back. this is big, though. after wisconsin everyone was like, oes, wh, wow, a bad night donald trump. you're right. the tide changed. likely new york could be a full 95 delegates to donald trump. think about that. you do that, have pennsylvania, connecticut, some big wins there, the momentum, the tide
changes. people start to get behind someone who's gaining a lot of the support. >> so he -- in and likelihood based on the polls up 30-plus points in new york, will get the majority of the 95 available delegates there. that's a big prize. >> huge. >> we move to pennsylvania, rhode island, connecticut, maryland, delaware. he's up by 20 in delaware. up almost the same amount -- >> across the board. >> -- in maryland and pennsylvania. now also in connecticut he has a big lead there, over 50%. pennsylvania, though, is a weird system. get 17 delegates. the other 50 are unbound. people are voting on the ballot not for donald trump or cruz. they're voting for the delegates. >> so that's kind of like the superdelegates situation on the democrat side. so, okay, there's 175 or so on that day. there's 95 in new york. you're going to get to the point where california on june 7th is going to be the day if donald trump gets over the 1,237 threshold, he will, but i think what happens up leading to that, the other states that come into
play, before that, will go because there's so much momentum. politics is time, momentum, and money. money is not going to be an issue. time is pretty spread out now from here to june 7th. >> it seems like the delegate fight if pennsylvania will be big. but also now it's moved to indiana. a number of delegates before people even vote there. they will be -- again, distributed before that even takes place. and california is going to be a big fight. it's a big prize. 172 delegates. how -- how differently will they approach the ground game as they move forward into these states, kimber kimberly? >> i think what they learned a lesson from the past, sean, you have to, like, lock it down step by step, hopscotch before you jump ahead. california is definitely going to be crucial and important. you even heard the rhetoric coming out of the ted cruz camp saying this could determine who the nominee is and eventually the president of the united states. california is a little bit trickier for donald trump, but nevertheless, i do believe like eric said if you have the momentum building in from these
states in the east compost, i believe donald trump will be in an even better position in california. what's the narrative the cruz camp -- >> do you have to fight for it or is it going to be contested, eric? >> i've been doing the numbers straight through. i think he gets to 1,237. now, you had an rnc rules committee member the other day -- >> randy evans. >> randy evans. if donald trump gets over 1,100, he's going to be the nominee. >> because of the unbound delegates availability. >> i don't think that's the case. i think he's wrong there. a couple, maybe a month and a half ago, said the opposite. he said you don't understand the voters aren't picking the nominee, we, the delegates are going to pick the nominee. i had conversation after conversation with high-level leadership in the rnc who tell me that if donald trump is close to it, he's going to be the nom nominee. >> let me say one thing about this. it's important. we talked to corey lewandowski earlier. from my perspective any time the
people aren't voting or participating fully, they're not getting full representation, that's a problem. because it's a national party, and i know state s want to make their own decisions on how to do things, okay, but the decision should be do we want to caucus, do we want a primary, do we want proportional distribution or winner take all? i don't like the idea of unbound delegates in any case. >> can't like what happened in colorado. colorado went ahead, there's probably a million voters, gop side, that could have voted but never got the opportunity to -- >> as many as a million. >> as many as a million. because the rnc at the local level, the state level decided we're going to give this to the delegates. that we pick. >> by the way, then they tweeted out -- >> you know who got those? those are people who work for the system. part of the establishment. >> well, again, look at the tweet out there. if i'm a donald trump supporter, i read the gop colorado twitter account says, "we did it, never trump" i'm thinking it was rigged. >> right. that's what he was speaking to. of course it only actually served to motivate his followers and his supporters to make sure
they make it count for their states going forward. >> on the other hand, give cruz credit, too. everyone knew the rules. they went in and fought harder. >> i hate this because ted cruz feasibly could get hurt the worst at the convention. if they change the rules. >> all right, guys. good to see you. by the way, quick programming note. these two friends of mine, kimberly, eric, the rest of the team of "the 5" will be back after this show, 11:00 eastern for a special live edition. that's coming up. we'll be watching. and coming up, my exclusive interview with donald trump's campaign manager corey lewandowski. florida prosecutors earlier today dropped charges. later tonight a lot of crazy, insane left-wing protesters outside the gala tonight. david webb actually tried to interview some of them and find out what they're so angry about. we've got that exclusive tape and more as we continue.
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♪ we can't let you download... uh, no thanks. i have x1 from xfinity so... don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. welcome back to "hannity." earlier today florida prosecutors announced they will not pursue a misdemnor battery charge against donald trump's campaign manager corey lewandowski for allegedly grabbing reporter michelle fields' arm. tonight, newly released security video just before the incident in question shows a secret service agent telling fields to leave the area which she does but after about 90 seconds fields then returns to the same spot to try and ask mr. trump a few questions. some are calling this video, quote, a smoking gun. fox did reach out to miss michelle fields for a comment. she declined to give a statement. earlier tonight, i stopped by the new york state republican gala and interviewed donald trump's campaign manager, his first interview, corey
lewandowski. here's the interview. joining us now right here on the stage is campaign manager for donald trump, corey lewandowski is with us. good to see you. how are you? >> thanks for having me, sean. great to be here. >> big relief for you today. prosecutors in jupiter decided they're not moving forward with any charges as it's related to the michelle fields incident. i wanted to give you a chance to respond and give your take. >> well, first let me say how much i am thankful for mr. trump and his loyalty in this very, very difficult time. many other candidates, all the other candidates in the race asked me to be fired and said i should have my chance and day in court. what we saw today was that they looked at the evidence and decided there's no way they can prosecute this case and move forward so first and foremost i want to thank mr. trump, secondly i want to thank my family and colleagues who sit by me in this difficult time. this is a huge distraction for the campaign and should never have been. if michelle fields wanted a conversation, we could have had a conversation privately and not made this the story it is today. i'm sorry this has become the story it is today.
i'm glad it's behind us, no charges moving forward and i'm ready to double my effort on this campaign to make sure mr. trump is elected. >> are you a little annoyed, angry, upset that they even brought it up in the first place because they have the video at the time that they so-called charged you or were going forward with this. >> well,s the thing is the video came from mr. trump and if he didn't have the survey equipment, you know, in the ceiling that night, this could be a completely different. i'm thankful he invested the money necessary to get that video and turn it over to the police at his own request because he knew the video would exonerate me. i'm very thankful he made the investment to do that. >> you know, things are so heated in politics is sometimes but i try to look at this as objectively as possible. i'd known michelle fields, shooeshe's b been on the show many, many years. her original statement, someone grabbed me tightly by the arm, yanked me down, i almost fell to the ground, jolted backwards. that's not on the tape. i looked again and again and again. i couldn't understand it got the amount of media attention it actually got.
when you looked at the tape, did you have a sense of relief? >> i did. that's why mr. trump released that tape. we saw what she was saying was not factually accurate to what the tape was showing. it was important that that was there. i think what we saw you have an individual who remembers an incident differently than i way i remember it. i don't remember it at all candidly. my entire interaction was on the videotape. i never met her before, never spoken to her afterwards. my sum total of that relationship with her was about three seconds long and i know that sounds like a long time, but in a three-second incident that i don't recall because it wasn't very memorable, this has really taken over a big piece of my life. i'm glad it's behind us. >> i noticed the press at the time, and i've been in those situations a lot, either as the person that is speaking or being around people and a little gaggle like that, a scrum, but what's interesting to me is you're saying you never met her before. you never talked to her before and they tried to make a big deal over the fact that, well, maybe you didn't yank her to the ground but he said he didn't touch her and the tape shows he might have touched her. i looked at that point, i said,
is that what we've gotten to in this campaign? >> not just the campaign, it's the notion of politically correctness. everything is politically correct nowadays. i think what people have to remember when they take a look back is what are we doing now? everything is so politically correct. you know, when i walked by michelle fields that night, i said excuse me, thank you. i was trying to walk between her and mr. trump and that's what polite people say, excuse me and thank you. i don't remember anything more than that. and i didn't know anything about it until i looked at her twitter feed hours later when i was being accused of being a thug. so, look, i would resolved this privately if that's what needs to be done, but i never had that contact. to this day i've never spoken to michelle fields. >> there was never any contact. the only time you knew about this was reading twitter and her twitter feed and that was the only contact, experience you knew that something had happened and you didn't even remember the incident? >> and it wasn't even her twitter feed. it was her boyfriend's twitter feed who called me a thug. said this is what donald trump surrounds himself with, thugs. i didn't know what they were talking about. after that occurred, i was at
the club for hours and there was many media there. at no time did anyone come up to me and say, hey, this incident just occurred. it wasn't until days later where something happened. i'm glad it's done. >> some have speculated it might be some type of defamation lawsuit after. your thoughts on that is. >> look, i don't know. people can do whatever they want to do. i think i'm happy that the criminal case is over. i'm glad that the prosecutors in palm beach county looked at this and said there wasn't enough evidence to move forward and get a prosecution. i'm pleased with that. put the whole thing behind it not just for the campaign but also my family. >> let's talk a little bit about the campaign. there's been a lot of talk an delegates, last couple weeks. convention in colorado, ted cruz got all 34 delegates there. the rules that are different in every state, for example, some are proportional, some are winner take all. you have some caucus, some primary, now some convention where people don't get to go to the polls. to me, it's very confusing. to a lot of voters it's very confusing. the big question for you
campaign, do you think you can get to 1,237 by june 7th? >> we're going to get to 1,237 by the last day of the election. the people in colorado weren't given an opportunity to vote. i understand those are the rules of the party. that's not what our country is about. people should have been given the opportunity. donald trump what he pointed out is very, very clear about this, let people go to the ballot and make their own decision. what we see in states where the process is open and people have the opportunity to come out, donald trump is drawing massive crowds out. big people who've never turned out are coming out and saying we want to support donald trump and those are the people that have been disengaged with the political process. the people in colorado, i understand what the rules are, have been shut out of the system. they should have had the opportunity to vote. >> treat it as a campaign, in other words, go out there, campaign more, if you thought you had more of an opportunity. did you think the deck was stacked before you went in? >> the deck is clearly stacked in situations like that. what we would favor, what i think the american people want, is the opportunity to walk into the ballot box and decide to
cast a vote for who they want, whether donald trump or john kasich or somebody else, they should have the privilege to go in there and cast their ballot and let that ballot count. >> because this is a national party, i think you do raise good points that i think need to be considered post-2016. whine it while it's a national party, you want states to have choices or opportunities. they can have a choice, do they want a caucus or primary, do they want proportional distribution or do they want winner take all? i don't think any state, though, should have unbound delegates. at that point it becomes confusing and they're not representing at that point the people, right? >> it's not just that. many some of these states the rules are so complex that in order to become a delegate, you had to start running 18 months ago before the candidate for president even started running. that's not right. that's why people are fed up with the gop establishment and the washington elites that are telling people we're going to decide what's best for you. we're going to pick who that nominee is going to be. that's not what has happened. donald trump has gotten millions more votes and his next closest competitor. leads the delegate race by
hundreds over his next closest competitor. the establishment wants to come in and say, no, no, we're going to dictate who's going it be the next nominee. that's not right and that's what is wrong with the current system. >> let's talk about if you fall short after june 7th of 1,237. still a lot of unbound delegates. randy evans, pretty smart guy, he said he thinks the magic number is really 1,100 because any campaign from that point forward would be able to get the extra 137 delegates. do you agree with that analysis or do you think you have to get to 1,237 or think the establishment will try to take it away from mr. trump? >> look, i think our goal is to get 1,237 or more going into that convention. our goal obviously is to do that through the existing rules of the process right now. so when california votes and new jersey votes on that last day, we want to walk out with more than 1,237 delegates. there is a discrepancy which i don't think there will be, think donald trump is going to get those delegates and going to be the republican nominee, he's going to be the president of the united states. donald trump is the greatest deal maker in the history of our country. if he's five votes short, ten
votes short, he will know how to go out and get those and bring people in. it's about unifying the party at that point. that's what's the most important thing. if the goal is truly to put a republican back in the white house which i think is the goal of everyone in the republican party, we should unify behind donald trump and make that the priority right now. >> last question, back to michelle fields. would you have a sit-down with her, would you talk to her, try and break bread and put this aside? have look, i'm open to anything. i can tell you how difficult this has been on my family. i got four young kids. i have a wife who lives in new hampshire who's been living this whole thing every day not understanding what's going on, reading the media stories wholly inaccurate because they want to make this a story that doesn't exist. it's tough personally. look, i'm also a catholic and religious person and i think people deserve forgiveness who ask for it. i'm not saying it in a bad way. what i'm saying, look, life is a long thing and i don't need enemies. i need friends just like donald trump, we're going to bring everyone together and make our party bigger and better and stronger and people that haven't
been involved before are going to be involved now and we're going to be successful moving forward. >> corey lewandowski, thanks for being with us. >> appreciate it. and coming up, monica crowley, peter johnson jr. have reaction to my exclusive interview with corey lewandowski. later, protests break out outside the republican gala. tonight david webb talked to those demonstrators. we'll show you how smart or really not they are as "hannity" continues. ♪
welcome back to "happnnit"h" joining me with reaction to my interview, peter johnson jr., fox news contributor, monica crowley. i watched this video. in fairness, because i had known michelle fields many, many times. you've been on the show with her. >> yeah. >> i wanted to make sure i was fair. i didn't comment about the story until i saw the video and i saw the video and i watched it 100
2r, 200 times. i didn't see anything. why do you think -- and i assume she saw it differently, why do you think she dug in so deep on this? >> i can't speak to her motivation. i've known her to be a good girl so i can't speak to what motivated her in this. she did tweet that photograph of her forearm that showed bruises and she decided to pursue it, but listening to corey tonight, i mean, he sounds relieved and he should be relieved. now that the criminal component of this is over, she says she might pursue a civil case for defamation against her -- against him, rather. i don't see how that could possibly go forward and i think it would be ill advised for her to move forward. >> original statement, peter jaups johnson jr., someone grabbed me tightly by the arm, yanked me down, i almost fell to the ground but i was able to maintain my balance. is there a defamation case? >> there might be something called a case for malicious
prosecution that corey lewandowski could make against michelle fields. so i thought it was a serious charge. i thought that he was facing a difficult trial in some ways because there was a touching that wasn't asked for by miss fields, but there had been statements by miss fields and by others and also by some of the folks on corey's side that exacerbated the thing. but now it's time to end it. it's a donnybrook now. it doesn't help anybody. if i was advising either one of them, as the attorney i'd say, okay, the d.a. has decided. the law has spoken. we have justice. there was probable cause but they said that they weren't going to bring it. >> why did the prosecutors bring him in when they had the evidence to begin with? >> especially. someone says that they've been touched without permission, someone shows that there's an injury, allegedly, like monica touched me inadvertently in the greenroom earlier and i'm going to make charges.
>> that sounds naughty, sean. >> touched my arm. >> the point you make is there are body men and body women who are around candidates. >> we've all been in that scrum. >> they interact with the press. >> the reality is when you're covering a campaign and most of us have been in these situations, it's chaos. >> monica grabbed my arm before and i've been injured. >> she, she grabbed me, too. >> could represent both of us >> see, she just touched you. that's a felony. >> this country has such huge problems that i cannot believe we are still talking about it. >> let's talk about quickly the speeches tonight. it seems, i see a pivot in the trump campaign. am i wrong? >> no. i think donald trump has realigned the internal dynamics of his campaign. he's brought on some real seasoned operatives like paul manefort, rick reilly, people who really know -- >> staffer for a long time. >> listen, to this point donald trump's campaign has been a one-man band and it's been very effective to this point. i mean, what he has accomplished for somebody who has never done this before, never run for president, never run for
anything, to run the entire campaign basically alone is astonishing but now he realizes the campaign entered a new phase. >> i think it's a return of roots coming to new york. driving down the street. i built that building. i had a number one show for that network. i built the hotel that i spoke in tonight. i was involved with the skating rink. i know how to build. i have a career of exciting success in this city. and i'm not going to be embarrassed by it. i'm not going to be embarrassed by new york values and 9/11 values and i'm moving ahead and we've made mistakes and we're doing it better. >> i saw some focus group people on earlier, i'm watching them, they're saying oh, he shouldn't have brought that up about 9/11, no, he's talking about american greatness. he's up four points in the latest fox news poll at 45%. he had two weeks that were bad allegedly. he picks up four points. >> last question. if he gets the nomination, does he make 1,237? >> yes. >> monica?
>> that's an open question, sean. his mission is to get to 1,237. this is and unpredictable year. >> i don't blame you. >> ted cruz, don't underestimate him either. coming up, left wing disrupters, they were protesting outside that new york gop gala earlier tonight. so david webb, what did we do? we sent him right in the middle of the crowd. we're going to show you the video and get reaction constipated? trust number one doctor recommended dulcolax use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax, designed for dependable relief
welcome back to "hannity." a large group of protesters for gathered outside the republican gala earlier tonight. david webb spoke with these agitators earlier to find out what are they so angry about, what are they so upset about? take a look. >> what's your main issue with donald trump? >> he's a racist. xenophobic and a woman hater. >> what about hillary? >> she's a liar. >> are you a bernie supporter?
>> yes, i am. >> what do you think about hillary clinton? >> i don't agree with her. she would still be better than trump as president. >> i am the supporter of sanders because i do have my issues with sanders but of every other candidate, he beats them -- >> what if hillary is the nominee for the democrats and trump's the nominee for the republicans? >> i'll stay out. >> what if he loses and it's hillary versus trump? >> anyone but trump. >> what's your issue with donald trump? >> i don't have a single issue with him. i think that if you speak hate speech, that's fine, and i defend your right to do that. >> what's your issue with donald trump? >> oh, you know, i just don't like the guy. he's racist and -- >> what do you think of hillary clinton? >> i don't like her, either. it's kind of a [ bleep ] campaign. >> all right. here with reaction, fox news contributor david webb. former economic adviser to president obama who gave us this horrible economy, austan goolsbee is with us. by the way, just got word the "new york post" just endorsed donald trump for new york. for president.
let me -- i assume it was in the primary. let me ask you this question. all right. 65% of americans think hillary is a liar. dishonest and untrustworthy. even liberals. how does she win when the american people think she's a liar? >> well, in those same polls she's blowing trump out of the water and ted cruz. i think she wins because compared -- >> not blowing anybody out of the water but putting that -- hypothetical matchups. they've never been accurate. okay. go back to ronald reagan. reagan was down, what, 30 points at this time when he beat jimmy carter. does somebody that 65% of the american people think are a liar, can she win? to you think she's a liar? >> the numbers say she can win. i don't think she's a liar. she's not a liar and when they say -- >> you think she's honest? is she an honest statement? >> she is much more honest than donald trump. >> much more honest than donald trump. >> oh, come on. not even close on that one. >> donald trump, the guy would -- he confuses the truth
if it bumped him in the face. he'll, as ted cruz said, my old debate rival, you can quote donald trump and show video of himself and he'll say you're lying about me. >> look, hillary clinton is not trusted because of who she is and what she's done over the years whether people can prove it or not. that's how people react as voters. they don't react necessarily even to a conviction which who knows what will happen with the issue of e-mails and the clinton foundation. but in fact, when i talk to these liberals, here's what they say. >> yeah. >> i asked them what is the issue, would you vote for hillary? they say, no. these are liberals. >> those were people who said they weren't even going to vote. >> let me ask you a question. hillary likes to play the race card, the gender card. that's the game she's been playing throughout her career. here's my question. if donald trump or ted cruz or both of them did a skit together, like mayor de blasio of new york and her highness hillary clinton where they talk
about c.p. time, colored people time. excuse me. do you think that liberals like yourself would be saying that's racist and hillary would say that's racist? >> i didn't think that mayor de blasio should have done that and i -- >> what about hillary? >> i think if hillary had to do it over she would not be in that scandal. >> if it was donald trump and ted cruz, what would have happened? >> oh, no. see, there's two things. there would be the reaction in the media and the left would go after them, call them racist. they would try to put them down. here's my issue with it. it wasn't funny. >> i agree. >> bill de blasio didn't -- >> it's a stereotype. it's a horrible stereotype. a false narrative. not even as a joke -- >> it was a bad joke. it wasn't well done. >> all right. >> and i'm not going to stump anybody's free speech, but let's face it, if a republican did it, it would be a headline story. >> we have to go. by the way, if you're suffering economically, blame austan in part. he's the one that advised obama who gave us -- remember obama said $9 billion in debt is
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contributors. and all indications, most people i talk to, doesn't matter if they support cruz, trump or kasich. they feel that this system that they're learning the system s designed to pick presidents wasn't what they thought it was. >> america is getting an education, and i would say on both sides. you've got democrats realizing it matter what you do. it doesn't matter what you do at these primaries. these super delegates are running the field. >> and i know your husband is involved in this. there is not a feeling of confidence this is going to be handled right if ted cruz or donald trump doesn't get to the
number. there is a feeling voters are going to be disenfranchised. >> part of it is that we're in unchartered territory, when is the last time new york has been in play. that is why it's been so exciting in new york to have contenders come to new york and states like california and pennsylvania count in this process. in colorado there was a unanimous position by the state g.o.p. saying we're not doing a caucus or primary. we're going to do a convolume -- convoluted process. >> i think a lot of people
regardless of party are disturbed by it. >> how do you like this? because it's a national party, states can cause to caucus or primary, and they can decide proportional or winner take all but can't decide bound or unbound. they've got to be bound. >> i think that would be the better approach. with unbound delegates, i think it gets very tricky, especially if we end up in a contested convention. >> you have to let the people have their say. >> that is right. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be back right after the break. stay with us.
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